Very big scandal in the ecology circles after some haker broke an electrone e-mail exchange of some ecologists-scientists...
In the last years ecologists prepare some graph for demonstrating global warming . so-called "hokey stick graph"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3569604.stm

"Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow.

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998. Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers
Phil"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2390537/posts

The Michael warning about scientific data falsification now received hard ground under feet....

How glad I am that you posted this, Oleg. It's one comment that surely should be welcome here! Many people are now aware of the "Climategate" scandal that is going on. It's not just a U.S. scandal, but a scandal that affects everyone, globally, if this correspondence is real. Not only that, but should federal charges be sought? What do you think?

I am most troubled by simple fact that somebody who name himself a scientist could falsify scientifical data... Our civilisation created on very unreliable base, on the principle of scientific honesty... If this principle is under danger then all our civilisation is under danger...
Dr.Crichton saw this danger and warned us about it in his non-fiction articles and speeches...

When I heard of the e-mails, my 1st response was "That is stealing! Even against the opposition I do not condone it" I have had some time to digest it and am beginning to think it was an inside job. In that case, I am all for it. I always knew Dr. Crichton was right about this subject. You only need to check his sources to find that out. I am sorry that Micheal was not around to see the climate Nay-Sayers crumble. I hope his family will take comfort in his vindication. I owe much of my own research to Michael, he peaked my interest. Since then I have spent numerous hours reading studies and have bought many books on the subject. I wish he was around to accept my thanks and to watch the show as global warming crashes back to earth. It will be a joyous ride!!


Dedicated reader; Larry

Quote; "I helped invent the internet"-Al Gore (I don't believe that either Al)

Yes, Oleg. And what's more horrifying is that this is not an isolated incident. It's just that the purpetrators were caught red-handed. I wonder if this incident will trigger "witch hunts" in other fields of science. I certainly hope so. The truth seems so elusive these days, but it's interesting to note that "old boy networks" are beginning to be threatened by interesting developments such as this one, for instance. I would love to bring up the subject of climate models here, but we're not allowed, at least I think not.

Hi Larry, welcome to the message board!
I'm interested in your response here:

"That is stealing! Even against the opposition I do not condone it" I have had some time to digest it and am beginning to think it was an inside job.

Can you tell us a little more of your thoughts on this? Thanks.

About Climategate: I'm wondering if there are legal ramifications because so many people and organizations put labor, funds and research into the various CC and GW scenarios. What does your masters or PhD. in climate science mean in the aftermath of Climategate, for instance, if your research relied heavily on the false "hockey stick" data? That's just one issue. The tentacles of this falsified science may reach adversely into many related issues.

I down loaded the entire file of emails. I read through many of them. I was struck by the bitterness of them. Many were not as "loaded" as the ones everyone hears about, but many have a air of disdain towards some other scientist. Judging from the emails, it had to be someone who was familiar with their system and also knew where to look for these. I believe they were a whistle blower. I would like to meet the person responsible for it. I think they have done the world a service bringing these into the light!

Hi, dear Larry! I am glad to meet you here on this messageboard. You are right and I see this event the same as you as a big service to scientific society....

Michael saw a need to rationally study the subject of "possible" climate changes. But how? He wanted scientists to set up an oversight agency to regulate the intent and purpose of studies regarding climate change, for instance: what did it mean? what were the parameters of data ranges, were they appropriate, and were they applicable to specific studies? The committee's duties could also include determining if certain climate models were in fact valid, based on data reported, and things like that. MC never said climate change was an impossibility. He said he would like to see an impartial agency set up to qualify independent findings. But this never happened. Instead we got Climategate (falisfied climate data, the famous Hockeystick data, which supposedly verified the idea of global warming).

In light of the Climategate scandal Al Gore has changed his platform from global warming to climate change, no doubt because he has established a financial interest in green technologies. Many scientists are now going on record to dispel the notion that sea levels are rising, that glaciers are melting. And there is news from Mongolia: weeks of record temps (-58F) have killed more than two million cattle. From Scotland: coldest winter in 30 years. Many glaciers are growing.

I like this quote from an IMVA newsletter: "It does seem that we do have a climate crisis on our hands and even a geological one that might remind us that we are not that far from the dinosaur age with earthquakes and exploding volcanoes ringing us with fire. Big things are happening, things made from giants or God or just Mother Nature and are we going to trust Al Gore’s friends to make sense of it all?"

See the article here:
http://imva.info/index.php/2010/02/climate-madness/

also:
http://www.iceagenow.com